Comments on: Is the Church Israel? #02 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/ The Voice of Tsiyon In Exile to the Scattered Remnant of Israel. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:09:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Jay http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6612 Jay Sun, 15 Jan 2012 06:26:15 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6612 Truly a foundational teaching. Just who is Israel? Just who is the Church? Both are one and the same - the Ekklesia, the Body of "called-out" ones. These have always been the Israel/the Church of God. God has not discarded His people and replaced them by another. This false teaching was one of the manifestations of the apostasy which was already starting at the time of the Apostles. Truly a foundational teaching. Just who is Israel? Just who is the Church? Both are one and the same - the Ekklesia, the Body of “called-out” ones. These have always been the Israel/the Church of God.

God has not discarded His people and replaced them by another. This false teaching was one of the manifestations of the apostasy which was already starting at the time of the Apostles.

]]> By: Lin http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6407 Lin Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:21:08 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6407 It was just last spring when YHVH gave me this revelation that the sentence against Israel was fulfilled and that I, little ol' me of gentile decent, was in fact Israel. I jumped for joy literally and so much made sense right then. Hallelujah and hallelujah again. If we want the Truth all we need to do is ask!! Our Father is faithful and just, also he wants us to know who we are, so if we ask, well, we know he'll answer. Just the last few days I was curious why in some accounts YHVH uses House of Jacob instead of Israel, so I asked. Jacob's name was changed on his way back to meet Esau, his children were still young and most likely still under his counsel. The brothers were still a family unit under their father Jacob. This also implies before these children sinned. Wow, YHVH is good to us. Ask and He will answer. It was just last spring when YHVH gave me this revelation that the sentence against Israel was fulfilled and that I, little ol’ me of gentile decent, was in fact Israel. I jumped for joy literally and so much made sense right then. Hallelujah and hallelujah again. If we want the Truth all we need to do is ask!! Our Father is faithful and just, also he wants us to know who we are, so if we ask, well, we know he’ll answer.
Just the last few days I was curious why in some accounts YHVH uses House of Jacob instead of Israel, so I asked. Jacob’s name was changed on his way back to meet Esau, his children were still young and most likely still under his counsel. The brothers were still a family unit under their father Jacob. This also implies before these children sinned. Wow, YHVH is good to us. Ask and He will answer.

]]> By: Criggarious http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6327 Criggarious Fri, 16 Dec 2011 02:07:45 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6327 Hello all, How very disgusting that these gentiles believe they are more entitled to the kingdom of Yah more than his own chosen people. This theology is just plain stupid. What changed with Yahweh between the old and new testament? How does Israel go from being the chosen people to suddenly being forsaken by Yahweh. Its like they just pulled this out of the air. Although I'm sure the devil had plenty of involvement. I found it very interesting how Eliyahu showed how the translators changed up the wording to fit there needs. I do believe the scriptures have some very strong words in regards to adding or taking away from his Holy Word. Those people are in very big trouble. On top of that what about these modern day preachers who have just as much ability to see this falicy yet do nothing about it. That's just as bad. Yahwehs not a happy camper with people saying that his Israel is replaced by the now dead church. I'm not saying that gentiles are bad but they need to realize that this all started with the Jews and its gonna end with them. There free to come with us grafted in. Just don't push us Jews to the curb. So with that have a nice day. :) Hello all,
How very disgusting that these gentiles believe they are more entitled to the kingdom of Yah more than his own chosen people. This theology is just plain stupid. What changed with Yahweh between the old and new testament? How does Israel go from being the chosen people to suddenly being forsaken by Yahweh. Its like they just pulled this out of the air. Although I’m sure the devil had plenty of involvement. I found it very interesting how Eliyahu showed how the translators changed up the wording to fit there needs. I do believe the scriptures have some very strong words in regards to adding or taking away from his Holy Word. Those people are in very big trouble. On top of that what about these modern day preachers who have just as much ability to see this falicy yet do nothing about it. That’s just as bad. Yahwehs not a happy camper with people saying that his Israel is replaced by the now dead church. I’m not saying that gentiles are bad but they need to realize that this all started with the Jews and its gonna end with them. There free to come with us grafted in. Just don’t push us Jews to the curb. So with that have a nice day. :)

]]> By: 2Miriam http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6058 2Miriam Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:05:07 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6058 What a great and patient explanation of many things that have changed over the centuries. So many of us were lost in anti-Semetic and false teachings. I noticed that so many responses on here have stated that didn't seem to fit or were different. I believe since this happened to me also that this is a call to you to come out from among them. Truely God is great to love us so much and want us out from paganist rituals and falsehoods. After all He is Truth! Bless the Lord God forever and bless all those truthseekers. What a great and patient explanation of many things that have changed over the centuries. So many of us were lost in anti-Semetic and false teachings. I noticed that so many responses on here have stated that didn’t seem to fit or were different. I believe since this happened to me also that this is a call to you to come out from among them. Truely God is great to love us so much and want us out from paganist rituals and falsehoods. After all He is Truth! Bless the Lord God forever and bless all those truthseekers.

]]> By: raymond6 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5499 raymond6 Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:53:40 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5499 Adonai is immutable/unchanging. He is faithful to His covenants with His people Israel. It is mind boggling to think how far we (the church) have strayed from the truth. I know that God has given me this fresh mindset to dig deeper into the root of my faith. Thank you God and thank you Tsiyon. Nothing happens in the lives of believers by chance. Scripture has come to life for me like never before and I pray that He will continue to teach me His plan and ways. I am a member of a southern baptist church/ "assembly", and when I try to talk to other members about the true church being Israel or about the jewishness of our faith, they just look at me like I have 3 heads. Theres really no response from anyone other than confusion. Its as if they are fine where they are and why change anything or consider anything else. Get out of the Box and Get Yahweh out of the box! Maybe one day I can be in a congregation of folks who love the remnant. I dont know if I'm a part of the scattered remnant, but when Eliyahu said, that " they" dont know who they are and that they just feel different...........well thats how I've felt all my life. Not better, not worse, not above anyone............just different, like there was someone bigger over me who had me in their care, watching over me. Makes me wonder. Gods ways are above our ways, and we just need to trust Him and seek His truth. Praise God for His remnant and that He's always had one and I pray for them always. God Bless Tsiyon Adonai is immutable/unchanging. He is faithful to His covenants with His people Israel.

It is mind boggling to think how far we (the church) have strayed from the truth.

I know that God has given me this fresh mindset to dig deeper into the root of my faith. Thank you God and thank you Tsiyon. Nothing happens in the lives of believers by chance. Scripture has come to life for me like never before and I pray that He will continue to teach me His plan and ways.

I am a member of a southern baptist church/ “assembly”, and when I try to talk to other members about the true church being Israel or about the jewishness of our faith, they just look at me like I have 3 heads. Theres really no response from anyone other than confusion. Its as if they are fine where they are and why change anything or consider anything else.
Get out of the Box and Get Yahweh out of the box!
Maybe one day I can be in a congregation of folks who love the remnant.

I dont know if I’m a part of the scattered remnant, but when Eliyahu said, that ” they” dont know who they are and that they just feel different………..well thats how I’ve felt all my life. Not better, not worse, not above anyone…………just different, like there was someone bigger over me who had me in their care, watching over me. Makes me wonder.

Gods ways are above our ways, and we just need to trust Him and seek His truth.
Praise God for His remnant and that He’s always had one and I pray for them always.
God Bless Tsiyon

]]> By: Ginny http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5458 Ginny Sun, 18 Sep 2011 03:20:05 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5458 Praise YHWH and all glory to Him!! How can we ever understand the Power and Might that He has in keeping a remnant that don't necessarily know they are a remnant! That was me, I have felt 'weird' and 'strange' for a long time. Why do I love, love, love to study and talk about the Lord so much? Why doesn't ANYONE else I know around me feel like that?! (Except DawnP). I'm one of the remnant!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love the Lord with all my heart, I have no interest in the church, I just want HIM, to follow HIM, to know HIM, to love HIM. Thank you so much Eliyahu and Dawn for encouraging me and telling the truth which the Lord has long been preparing in my heart. Even so, come Lord Yeshua! I pray He will continue to wake His people up, keep them safe and bring them together. Amen. Praise YHWH and all glory to Him!! How can we ever understand the Power and Might that He has in keeping a remnant that don’t necessarily know they are a remnant! That was me, I have felt ‘weird’ and ’strange’ for a long time. Why do I love, love, love to study and talk about the Lord so much? Why doesn’t ANYONE else I know around me feel like that?! (Except DawnP). I’m one of the remnant!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love the Lord with all my heart, I have no interest in the church, I just want HIM, to follow HIM, to know HIM, to love HIM. Thank you so much Eliyahu and Dawn for encouraging me and telling the truth which the Lord has long been preparing in my heart. Even so, come Lord Yeshua! I pray He will continue to wake His people up, keep them safe and bring them together. Amen.

]]> By: DawnP http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5444 DawnP Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:52:24 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5444 For several years I was deceived by the lie that the Church and Israel are 2 entirely separate groups. It grieves me that I should have been taken in by this, but more importantly, it grieves me when I think of the pain such a lie must cause YHWH. So many millions of people swept along by the lies of replacement and separation theology... Praise YHWH for keeping His covenants and for revealing the truth to us! Since I first listened to this lesson, I have been amazed at how much sense many things in the Bible now make to me. Paul's teachings are much easier to understand and Ephesians 2, which always confused me, is now crystal clear. Yeshua said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24) and, “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd." John 10:16. HIS words are simple to understand, once you know the truth. There is only one flock, although others are welcome to join and become a part of that flock. Thank you for another great lesson Eliyahu and Dawn. Your passion for this subject was clear and I am sure it reflects the passion our Lord has for His people Israel. How dare men try to replace YHWH's chosen people. How arrogant people are. I pray more people hear the truth, study for themselves and repent that they were ever taken in by such a terrible lie. For several years I was deceived by the lie that the Church and Israel are 2 entirely separate groups. It grieves me that I should have been taken in by this, but more importantly, it grieves me when I think of the pain such a lie must cause YHWH. So many millions of people swept along by the lies of replacement and separation theology…
Praise YHWH for keeping His covenants and for revealing the truth to us! Since I first listened to this lesson, I have been amazed at how much sense many things in the Bible now make to me. Paul’s teachings are much easier to understand and Ephesians 2, which always confused me, is now crystal clear.
Yeshua said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24) and, “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.” John 10:16. HIS words are simple to understand, once you know the truth. There is only one flock, although others are welcome to join and become a part of that flock.
Thank you for another great lesson Eliyahu and Dawn. Your passion for this subject was clear and I am sure it reflects the passion our Lord has for His people Israel. How dare men try to replace YHWH’s chosen people. How arrogant people are. I pray more people hear the truth, study for themselves and repent that they were ever taken in by such a terrible lie.

]]> By: Ginny http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5080 Ginny Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:53:45 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5080 Spot on! "it has its own festivals"... hmmm. Sounds a bit like "changing the times and seasons" to me! Daniel 7:25 He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. I believe the church is the fourth beast, as a part of the Babylonian world system. Terrible thought... Spot on! “it has its own festivals”… hmmm. Sounds a bit like “changing the times and seasons” to me! Daniel 7:25 He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

I believe the church is the fourth beast, as a part of the Babylonian world system. Terrible thought…

]]> By: akushla http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5075 akushla Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:41:52 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5075 These are just a few of my thoughts as I was listening to the program – “Is the Church Israel?” I find it interesting how ‘wild olive branches’ try to grow and flourish without being grafted into the tree. They may shoot for a little while but soon wither and die as they are not receiving any nourishment from the olive tree. There have been many revivals in the church but they haven’t lasted because they have not been based on the Torah and the root which is the house of Israel. The church has so separated itself from Israel that it has its own festivals and rest days. It does not celebrate the Feasts of Adonai and mostly forgets about the Sabbath, even when it is part of the 10 commandments. (The church must only have to keep 9 not 10 commandments!?) The church teaches that we need to be like Jesus but hey Jesus (Yeshua) was a Jew and he kept Torah and the Feasts including the weekly Sabbath. I find the church is full of contradictions. They say the Bible is true but I think what they actually mean is that their interpretations of the Bible is true and is to be followed. There is so much that we need to 'unlearn' as most of us have been so thoroughly 'churched'. It is so strange that so many are leaving the church to search for truth and find God. These are just a few of my thoughts as I was listening to the program – “Is the Church Israel?”
I find it interesting how ‘wild olive branches’ try to grow and flourish without being grafted into the tree. They may shoot for a little while but soon wither and die as they are not receiving any nourishment from the olive tree. There have been many revivals in the church but they haven’t lasted because they have not been based on the Torah and the root which is the house of Israel.
The church has so separated itself from Israel that it has its own festivals and rest days. It does not celebrate the Feasts of Adonai and mostly forgets about the Sabbath, even when it is part of the 10 commandments. (The church must only have to keep 9 not 10 commandments!?)
The church teaches that we need to be like Jesus but hey Jesus (Yeshua) was a Jew and he kept Torah and the Feasts including the weekly Sabbath.
I find the church is full of contradictions. They say the Bible is true but I think what they actually mean is that their interpretations of the Bible is true and is to be followed. There is so much that we need to ‘unlearn’ as most of us have been so thoroughly ‘churched’.
It is so strange that so many are leaving the church to search for truth and find God.

]]> By: Lisa4Yshua http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-4962 Lisa4Yshua Sat, 14 May 2011 18:33:17 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-4962 I have to say that I, myself, was raised to believe that this "replacement theology" was true. It wasn't until I was much older and discovered that certain books had been removed from today's Bibles, that I started studying early Christianity. Originally, I wanted to know "why" certain books had been removed from the Bible, "when", and "by whom" because as I saw it, NOBODY had the authority or right to remove ANYTHING from the Bible. This started many years of study into early Christianity, specifically that very first generation of Christians, to find out what "they" believed and were taught by Yeshua and the apostles themselves. The more I studied, the more horrified and utterly shocked I became to find that so MANY things had been CHANGED by MAN to fit their own individual ideas and beliefs. Things such as forsaking God's given feast days and the Sabbath days . . . to be replaced by (horror of horrors) PAGAN feast days and rituals. The very things YHWH Himself TOLD us to stay AWAY from! From what I can tell from my own idividuals studies, satan could not stop Christianity by killing or torturing people, so he did something much sneakier and smarter. He married the Church! Or should I say, the Church married him, forsaking Yeshua and God's Word for the world! Many people of the reformation movement and before recognized this fact, along with the fact that the "church" (meaning the Roman Catholic Church as they were the first, as far as I can tell to date, to organize into a state religion), was now deeply steeped in pagan practices. Hence, the reformation. Only "they" turned around and did the very same things themselves, only under a different mask! So today, when I hear people say that the Church REPLACED Israel, I have to correct them; because, in reality, what they're really doing is calling God a liar, and all the promises He made to Israel in the Bible - lies. This, to me, is them making a God of their own imagination, which is therefore a false idol because it certainly isn't YHWH, the God of the Bible that they're talking about when they say things like this. And the worst part about it, is that most people will never take the time to learn the truth on their own, so therefore, will continue to believe the lies. I know I spent many years myself just taking for granted that what the priests or pastors were teaching were Biblical. Boy, was I wrong! This is an issue that truly upsets me; not only because "I" was lied to in this way growing up, but because there are so many others out there who still really have NO IDEA. In many ways, I feel that the Christian Church has betrayed me and everyone else they teach these falsehoods to; and, most importantly, they've betrayed Yeshua Himself. It's really come down to what Yeshua told us would happen in the last days though too. Apostasy IS running rampant, false teachers ARE coming in sheep's clothing ALL OVER THE PLACE "calling themselves Christians"! Just like the Bible forewarned us in 2nd Timothy 3:1-8: 2nd Timothy 3:1-8: You must understand this, that in the last days distressing times will come. For people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, brutes, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to the outward form of godliness but denying its power. Avoid them! For among them are those who make their way into households and captivate silly women, overwhelmed by their sins and swayed by all kinds of desires, who are always being instructed and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth. As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these people, of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith, also oppose the truth. Never have I so completely understood this verse as I do today as I've watched it happen before our very eyes. It's so bad today, that many true Christians like myself, CAN'T EVEN FIND a true "Christian" church to fellowship at anymore. I know, because I've met many people online in the very same delima as I am with not being able to find a true fellowship of believers where they live. We now find ourselves having to meet with the Body of Christ online instead of being able to asemble together as believers. This is so very sad. I can only thank YHWH every single day for His kindness and mercy in showing me HIS TRUTH through my own studies of the Bible and bringing me to some wonderful online ministry sites who are actually "teaching His Truth" such as this one. And unfortunately, this ENTIRE message today, is so very sadly true. I believe it's now each of our duty in life to share these messages and these truths with others, including the many church's who have fallen into the lie of this world. If we don't share it, how will others come to the knowlege of YHWH's Biblical Truth? How will they ever know what Yeshua REALLY taught us? Each and every one of us "needs" to be sharing what we're learning with everyone we know because I truly believe that Yeshua is preparing all His children for His immenent return. While I eagerly wait for that day to come soon, I also pray that YHWH will use my life to reach others who have been lied to all their lives like I was. Because ultimately, the TRUTH can only do one thing..."Set Us Free"! I have to say that I, myself, was raised to believe that this “replacement theology” was true. It wasn’t until I was much older and discovered that certain books had been removed from today’s Bibles, that I started studying early Christianity. Originally, I wanted to know “why” certain books had been removed from the Bible, “when”, and “by whom” because as I saw it, NOBODY had the authority or right to remove ANYTHING from the Bible. This started many years of study into early Christianity, specifically that very first generation of Christians, to find out what “they” believed and were taught by Yeshua and the apostles themselves. The more I studied, the more horrified and utterly shocked I became to find that so MANY things had been CHANGED by MAN to fit their own individual ideas and beliefs. Things such as forsaking God’s given feast days and the Sabbath days . . . to be replaced by (horror of horrors) PAGAN feast days and rituals. The very things YHWH Himself TOLD us to stay AWAY from! From what I can tell from my own idividuals studies, satan could not stop Christianity by killing or torturing people, so he did something much sneakier and smarter. He married the Church! Or should I say, the Church married him, forsaking Yeshua and God’s Word for the world! Many people of the reformation movement and before recognized this fact, along with the fact that the “church” (meaning the Roman Catholic Church as they were the first, as far as I can tell to date, to organize into a state religion), was now deeply steeped in pagan practices. Hence, the reformation. Only “they” turned around and did the very same things themselves, only under a different mask!

So today, when I hear people say that the Church REPLACED Israel, I have to correct them; because, in reality, what they’re really doing is calling God a liar, and all the promises He made to Israel in the Bible - lies. This, to me, is them making a God of their own imagination, which is therefore a false idol because it certainly isn’t YHWH, the God of the Bible that they’re talking about when they say things like this. And the worst part about it, is that most people will never take the time to learn the truth on their own, so therefore, will continue to believe the lies. I know I spent many years myself just taking for granted that what the priests or pastors were teaching were Biblical. Boy, was I wrong! This is an issue that truly upsets me; not only because “I” was lied to in this way growing up, but because there are so many others out there who still really have NO IDEA. In many ways, I feel that the Christian Church has betrayed me and everyone else they teach these falsehoods to; and, most importantly, they’ve betrayed Yeshua Himself. It’s really come down to what Yeshua told us would happen in the last days though too. Apostasy IS running rampant, false teachers ARE coming in sheep’s clothing ALL OVER THE PLACE “calling themselves Christians”! Just like the Bible forewarned us in 2nd Timothy 3:1-8:

2nd Timothy 3:1-8: You must understand this, that in the last days distressing times will come. For people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, brutes, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to the outward form of godliness but denying its power. Avoid them!

For among them are those who make their way into households and captivate silly women, overwhelmed by their sins and swayed by all kinds of desires, who are always being instructed and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth. As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these people, of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith, also oppose the truth.

Never have I so completely understood this verse as I do today as I’ve watched it happen before our very eyes. It’s so bad today, that many true Christians like myself, CAN’T EVEN FIND a true “Christian” church to fellowship at anymore. I know, because I’ve met many people online in the very same delima as I am with not being able to find a true fellowship of believers where they live. We now find ourselves having to meet with the Body of Christ online instead of being able to asemble together as believers. This is so very sad.

I can only thank YHWH every single day for His kindness and mercy in showing me HIS TRUTH through my own studies of the Bible and bringing me to some wonderful online ministry sites who are actually “teaching His Truth” such as this one. And unfortunately, this ENTIRE message today, is so very sadly true. I believe it’s now each of our duty in life to share these messages and these truths with others, including the many church’s who have fallen into the lie of this world. If we don’t share it, how will others come to the knowlege of YHWH’s Biblical Truth? How will they ever know what Yeshua REALLY taught us? Each and every one of us “needs” to be sharing what we’re learning with everyone we know because I truly believe that Yeshua is preparing all His children for His immenent return. While I eagerly wait for that day to come soon, I also pray that YHWH will use my life to reach others who have been lied to all their lives like I was. Because ultimately, the TRUTH can only do one thing…”Set Us Free”!

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